… Next Last. 7x57 vs. .280 Remington. Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:48 pm . Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 … Since we're comparing 7mm rifle ammo, I'd probably take the ol' .280 Remington over either, or as I like to call it, the 7mm-06. The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 can handle bullets ranging from about 100-160 grains very effectively. as a benchmark, according to the Remington website for same bullet factory load. The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). I think the 30-06 would be a better bet. Mag.• .300 RSAUM vs. .300 WSM• .500 Jeffrey vs. .505 Gibbs• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. Not sure if you're in the USA or if you buy factory ammo, but if that matters I'd say the 7x57 wins that battle. Another very underrated cartridge with limited demand. Most major ammunition manufacturers offer at least one load for the .280 Remington, though it does still trail behind the .270 and .30-06. I find no bad or negative comments written on either cartridge. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. The 7×57mm Mauser (designated as the 7mm Mauser or 7×57mm by the SAAMI and 7 × 57 by the C.I.P.) _____ "So many rifles; so little time." I had the .35 Whelan built some time ago for Elk hunting. Edited to add; I see now that cptpoly posted the same link, good info though. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. Mag. They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. Hope you had a good Christmas. Latest. One .270 Win round only has 280 inches of bullet drop at this range while another has 444 inches of bullet drop. Same dealer shows 4 options for 7x64 with 2 options in stock. I am an idiot who needs sleep. I've loaded for both and have owned several 280's, 3-4 7x57, but have only worked with 140's in each because there was no requirement for a 160 for my hunting.All these rifles had 22" barrels and ran the gamut from Remington Mountain rifles to full blown customs. Can you can get a 7x57 160 from 2,850 to 2,900 fps? You may contacxt E.R. But if you enjoy the historical ties to cartridges, and your shots stay inside of 300 yards, there’s no reason to say no to the 7x57mm Mauser; it just doesn’t have the capability of the .280 Remington at longer ranges. The result: a necked neck. Thread starter ATX762; Start date Jul 21, 2017; 1; 2; Next. EVOSTRIKE VS TIPSTRIKE in ballistic gelatin Test: Which hunting bullet suits you? The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. It’s worth noting, however, that some loads have been dropped. There is no plains game animal the 30-06 cant take down. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. vs .280 Rem. I have two 7x57 loads that both test near 55 KPSI, and which both put a 160/162 grain bullet at a trifle under 2750 FPS. Survival. To simplify the question, the .270 holds more powder and it can shoot the same weigh bullets. fredj, being the Sako maniac I am, it is on a M-75 action with a McMillan stock, Wiseman barrel, and Wiseman 'printing' of the action. 270 Win vs. 7x57 If you had these two calibers and they shoot equally well which would you keep and why? I've got a rifle hunt planned for this fall in CO and need to find some factory ammo that shoots well out of my gun. Same with all the short action chamberings vs similar, but longer cartridges. If I were you I would load it with Hornady GMX/Barnes X and not worry that you are under gunned or need a 7 mm. Thanks all, I appreciate it. quote: Originally posted by fredj338: What rifle is that being built on? Can run 280/160's at 3,000 fps when taken to AI pressure level. I can't part with either one!!! It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. #3 The more efficient cases are a big part of the reason for enhanced accuracy since the powder burns more consistently. In the High Velocity guise—the throat of the chamber is modified to work best with the 140-grain bullets—as is so popular in the U.K. for stalking red deer and hunting roe deer, the cartridge handles those species perfectly. ! I remember reading a post written by BobVZ on the our old message board explaining his results of converting a 7x57 to a 280 Remington. 7mm Rem SA Ultra Mag. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. 7-08 vs 280 is about the same as the 308 vs 30-06 discussion. Forced to pick between the two, the .280 gives more versatility and the sensible side of me will have to give the .280 Remington the nod. … But, a handloader and a modern rifle can run it at modern pressures up to 58-60K psi. par flu-flu » 09 Fév 2005 21:54 . Still- kind of surprised the differences aren't even greater. Which of these loads will serve you best the next time a deer enters the crosshairs? If you look at Nolser manual #6 they use custom barrels. 7mm Rem Mag. HD . and owned them. Mine is now a .280 Imp-Imp, but it shot extemely well before the rechamber, I've only fired start loads to fire form in it so far, but even those shot mostly insdie of 2" shooting 5 shots groups as fast as I could reload, let it cool and do it again for 50 rounds! were included in that article, but could not match the four short list cartridges in the area of availability of rifles and ammunition (read popularity). Exemples, une 7mm-08 contre .308, une .280 Rem. Largest internet ammo dealer shows 12 options for 7x57 loaded ammunition and 6 options in stock. The .280 reamer will not clean up the old neck. 7x57 or 280 Remington. I can't part with either one!!! Last edited: Jun 9, 2018. The .280 is an excellent shooter, I don't recollect anyone here having one that doesn't love theirs, mine include. par D-mon » 10 Fév 2005 01:26 . 28 Nosler. 280 Remington. 280 Rem. I would not expect much difference at equal peak pressures. I'm glad someone created the 6mm but it wasn't a necessity to fill a gap. ArmedBear Member. Supporter . My favorite rifle is a 7x57. I must say I'm a little surprised that an innocent little thread like this contains so many fierce defenses of one cartridge against another. I used to shoot the 170 gr. It is a flat-shooting cartridge, and though it does have more recoil than does the Mauser, it’s very user-friendly. I used to shoot the 170 gr. I need the boards input 7x57 Improved (40 degree) Vs standard 280 Remington. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. With slower powders the on paper data suggest thats possible at 65Kpsi. (In the case of the 7x57, also 175 grain bullets.) I like the Norma 156-grain Oryx load at a muzzle velocity of 2641 fps, as that bullet had proven to be wonderfully accurate and I’m a fan of that bullet’s terminal performance. They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. But this isn’t due to it being chambered in weak, older rifles. Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations. … Que peut-on attendre de ces 2 calibres en performance,subsonique et supersonique? Looking for some pet loads for the 160-168 class of bullets. Mag. Check it out! I have built customer's rifles in both calibers, shot them. Of course you are right on the money. Thread Tools . With the Hornady Custom .275 Rigby load 140-grain load moving at 2680 fps, it will still retain over 1,000 ft-lbs at the 400-yard mark. vs. .300 Wby. Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. I realise that this is probably no right or wrong answer to this, but it would be good to hear from users of either calibre. Apologies. You thinking of Roberts or 280?- drybean. 1941 270: 1895 7x57: _____ Ray. Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. .257 Rigby/7x57 Mauser.257 Rigby is what British gunmakers called the 7x57 at one time. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. ... • .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington • .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser Reactions: Gb300wm, DHuffman and Mulligan. 7mm Rem Ultra Mag. All of them will kill deer with equal efficiency. So, like the 7x57, the .280 Remington is at its best as a handloader's cartridge. There is a long list of cartridges that spawned from other cartridges that became phenomenal creations. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. The Berger 180-grain VLD Target, Hornady 180-grain ELD Match, Sierra 183-grain MatchKing and Berger 195-grain EOL Elite Hunter have impressive BCs, but I was concerned whether the old 7x57 could drive the heavier bullets fast enough. Bell took over 1,000 elephants in his career, and a good percentage of them were with a .275 Rigby and 175-grain solid (non-expanding) bullets. EDIT: Also found a 7x57 test that I did on 150 grain bullets. 01 October 2011, 00:40. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. 7mm-08 vs 270, some thoughts. Does the old 7x57 offer enough to make a hunter choose it over the .280? 1941 270: 1895 7x57: _____ Ray. Re: 500Whisper Vs 12,7x57 Anthis. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. The 7x57 would seem to fit the bill, and I like the idea of using such an old chamfering, but would a 7x64 be a more pragmatic choice? Why not just a .280? Whether shopping for a new rifle, for perusing the used shelves of your favorite gun shop, you may very well come across a rifle in one of these cartridges, so let’s do a bit of comparing and contrasting between them. Witold Krzyżanowski . In a longer tube the extra case capacity of the 280 allows more of the slow burning stuff. Atkinson. Twist rates for rifle barrels tend to differ slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer and from decade to decade (1:9-1:10), therefore, experimentation with the full range of 7mm bullet weights is often a requirement. flu-flu Membre Confirmé Messages: 192 Images: 2 Inscription: 03 Mai 2003 21:33. To be honest, this is more of a personal, i.e. One dropped like he was hit by lightening and the other took about 5 steps but never took another chew on the clump of grass in his mouth. One of the greater benefits of the 57mm case design is that velocity is limited to a level which tends to bring about optimum bullet performance with regard to terminal ballistics. It was developed by Paul Mauser of the Mauser company in 1892 and adopted as a military cartridge by Spain in 1893. The 7x57 mm is neither wildly popular nor widely available, but neither is the .280 Rem. Everything else being equal, what is the velocity differential between the 280 and 7x57 using reasonable maximum loads in a modern action? Probably not, partly because I was lucky enough to obtain it when the prices at Serengeti were a lot lower than they are now! Calibre 7x57R en vente en ligne sur l'armurerie française, bénéficiez des meilleurs conditions tarifaires et d'une livraison très rapide. vs. .300 Win. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away”. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Two classic 7mm cartridges, both with well-established reputations as all-around choices for general big game hunting, and both with a fair number of devotees. Go. 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