7mm rum vs 28 nosler
Or overall? The 28 nosler is close to 7mm RUM but not quite there. Would the 300 prc recoil be greater than 28 nosler on a scoped rifle in the 9.5 pound range? include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. And in the chambers of their rifles. They are more alike than different. You already have a Mashburn....what more do you need? If you are well stocked on brass, stay RUM. Tags: .28 caliber, 7mm, cartridge, elk hunting, Long Range, Nosler, up-armored elk Nosler has announced what it calls the âmost powerful commercial 7mm cartridgeâ: The .28 Nosler. You go long. I plan on seeing which one my rifle shoots best. New 7mm Ultra Mag rifles are available from Remington and Montana Rifle Company. The 28 Nosler has an average chamber life of no more than 500 rounds. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. Hi Everyone, I have a 7mm Rem Mag and am between the 140g or 160g Nosler Trophy Grade-Accubond ammunition. Is Handloading Rifle Ammunition Really Worth It? If budget is a concern, then the cheapest option in new rifles is Remington's 7mm Ultra Mag stainless SPS at $838, and since the 7mm RUM had more than a decade head start on the .28, there are some Ultra Mags available on used gun racks and on Internet resale sites. The 175-grain 28 Nosler is topped with an AccuBond LR bullet and has a muzzle velocity of 3,125 fps. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. So how do you choose among these three? But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. Have Ryan Pierce rebarrel, blueprint, and bed. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. If you had to pick one of these 3 cartridges which would you choose? 1:10 The only reason why I would choose the 7mm-300wm over the 28 Nosler is chamber life. After I get the copper out I like to polish the bore with JB compound. I only know a few who shoot 7rums and they all shoot heavy for caliber rounds and find them to be very picky at times. I am planning on using the 195 Berger's at around 3050-3100 FPS. If you’re going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. All we know is it's a 7 RUM that doesn't shoot to your expectations which are you didn't say what that is. Extremely accurate, quite a bit less recoil and almost the same as my 300 was with less powder. But a .30 would be cool. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. I've seen what that other 7 you have will do. Thanks! Here's the thing...have a 7 RUM Ultra that, to be truthful, has never achieved geek accuracy and it seems to be getting worse. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent âwandering.â Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. It's been Mickey'd and Kampfeld'd but not bedded. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. You are using an out of date browser. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated “standard” velocity cartridges. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. I personally like the nosler better because you don't have to use as much powder which should help in a little less recoil and still be able to get good velocities with a 25"-26" compared to needing a longer barrel to utilize the charge of the RUM. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, let’s establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. 7-08 vs 28 Nos,its (drumroll) a foot and a half. I believe to get the most benefit out of the 28 nosler you need to have it chambered using a custom reamer with a longer throat to be able to utilize as much of the case as possible with the heavy for caliber bullets. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, wait’ll you haul around a 28-inch. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. Keep it RUM, go .30 or .338. mtmuley. They straightened the sidewalls. But they didn’t shorten anything. The 28 nosler is close to 7mm RUM but not quite there. 1:9 28 Nosler 26 in. You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldn’t you rather drive highway speed? I personally like the nosler better because you don't have to use as much powder which should help in a little less recoil and still be able to get good velocities with a 25"-26" compared to needing a longer barrel to utilize the charge of the RUM. In 2015, Nosler created its new .28 Nosler by necking up the .26 Nosler caseâitself a derivative of the 7mm RUM case, which descended from the .404 Jeffery. No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. 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Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. MOA or less/ greater. That’s the 7mm magnum advantage. The new Berger 245 grain .30 would make up my mind. One of my questions is about the recoil. This is Not a New Thing. I’m sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. Hunting gifts received-letâs see/hear âem. Mag. Those are some impressive numbers. I have seen some pretty impressive groups out of 300 RUMs and think they are inherently more accurate than the 7mm RUM at least that is what we have seen. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. OK. Got it. Full-magnum action long. I'm in the process of having a 28 nosler built. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. Ron Spomer. was a little overboard). 28 Nosler Load Data is now available: 28 Nosler 150 Grain 28 Nosler 160 Grain 28 Nosler 168 Grain 28 Nosler 175 Grain Based on the same case as the .26 Nosler (itself based on the .404 Jeffery) , marketing literature for the round claims a performance of 160 grains at 3,300 feet per second from a 26â³ barrel. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. .284 bullets to fit the bores of all 7mm cartridges come in a wide variety of shapes and weights from 100 grains to 180 grainsâadequate for everything from coyotes to big bears. Is it a factory or custom gun to start with? Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. I've not accurately counted range rounds but it's a lot..purchased shortly after caliber roll out. Its made by Ogre Manufacturing in Milwaukee. LRH is a good source. Re: 7mm rum Vs 7mm stw Vs 28 nosler by 1sikxt » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:09 pm Basically I got 7mm rem mag that I'm going to rebarrel I'm thinking one of the the faster 7mm cartridges with a fast twist for 165-195 gr projectiles will be used for hunting and a little bit of target shooting Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. Minuteman. Carefully spaced shots (don’t overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooter’s accuracy demands. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, I’d look harder at the RUM. The rebarrel price is a wash. Above the .270 and into the 7mm category (actually 7.2mm) is the 7 mm Weatherby Magnum based on the 300 H & H case and shoots a 139 grain head at 3300 fps and the 7mm Dakota which uses the same 404 Jeffrey Case as the 26 Nosler, it is smack between the 120 grain head with Mv of 3400 fps in the 7mm Dakota and the 139 grain head with Mv of 3300 fps. 7mm Bullets . This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. 7mm Reloading Components. Let’s compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. 1:10 243 Winchester (left-handed) 24 in. No better though. The U.S.A. hasn’t fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. I can step up to a 30 magnum and do better for the same price in recoil. It shoots farther, ⦠I ended up sacrificing one of the custom 7mm R.E.M. To be fair,they only got 2725 with the 7mm-08,and 3195 with the 28 Nos So I ran the 10 mph 1000 yd wind numbers 7mm-08 : 82 in drift,7.8 MOA 7mm Rem Mag:72.5 in drift,6.9 MOA 28 Nos 64.4 in drift,6.1 MOA So,at 1000 yds,7-08 vs 7mm Rem mag, drift is approx 7 ft vs 6 feet. 1:10 30-06 Springfield 24 in. I spoke with a local smith on Friday about a future build, its going to be a Nosler 28. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. These are some impressive numbers. The additional reach is tempting, but I’d pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. Just 5 inches of drop at 400 yards and 6.8 inches of wind deflection. The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). I have a 7mm Mag that has a lot of throat erosion and fire cracking 7" up the barrel that still shoots 1" at 100yds with 3 shots. Post subject: 7mm Rem vs 7mm Weatherby. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. Mag., the .28 Nosler wins the muzzle velocity race by about 200 fps but burns roughly 18 grains more powder to do it. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. Factory ammo is advertised as being higher in velocity for the 28 Nosler. Now let’s check out the 7mm RUM. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. With the 27 Nosler I think you would really have something different that is better and unique. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but we’ll use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. This is Not a New Thing, Finding the Perfect Grouse Gun is a Lifelong Pursuit, “It Was About Representation. I believe to get the most benefit out of the 28 nosler you need to have it chambered using a custom reamer with a longer throat to be able to utilize as much of the case as possible with the heavy for caliber bullets. I am ordering a 33 nos reamer for the 250 bergers, which kill like crazy by the way. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . I sold my 300 run and bought a 28 nosler, so far I am not regretting it. Barrels are like truck tires. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. With over 18,000 posts though I suspect you know all of this already but just my two cents. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. But you pay the price in recoil and that 26-inch barrel. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. 7mm vs 300 win vs 28 nosler. mtmuley, Check out what the 215 and 230 Berger can do. The goal of the 26 & 28 Nosler® cartridges was to introduce something to the shooting sports industry that took full advantage of new technology available to shooters today including the advance of optics, reticle systems and of course high Ballistic Coefficient (B.C.) Based on the non-belted, rebated-rim 404 Jeffrey case, the 7mm RUM is without a doubt the highest performing .284 caliber cartridge commercially loaded today. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. With full power factory loads or equivalent reloads, expect barrel life to ⦠for my brand of hunting. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. 1/2 minute and 3150 with Berger 195's. I will say if you want to keep it a RUM do like mtmuley says and go to the 300 or 338. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. And that’s part of the reason 7mms are so popular. You don't suggest a round count? When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? Short, light barrels just don’t do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. They share a maximum body diameter of 0.550 inch. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. mtmuley. Improving 7mm Rem. But despite the best of efforts, case loss will be high due to wrinkling. Power, ac⦠HuntPost® is a registered trademark. The 7mm Remington Ultra Mag uses a larger capacity case and, loaded to the same MAP, has the potential to outperform the .28 Nosler, although not by a lot. GJ. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. While the 7mm RUM isn't loaded at the factory to be as fast it does have the higher powder capacity. Guns - 7mm vs 300 win vs 28 nosler - Record holder Jim Richards shooting a 2.6872" group at 1000 yards (all in the 8 ring) with a 6mm Dasher and Second Place: 28 Nosler, 59.0 Points. It's too nice of a rifle to give up on and I won't sell it if not up to snuff performance wise. If you want 7mm magnum performance, you’ll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. Rebating the rim to 0.534 inch simplifies the production of rifle bolts since the rims of Holland & Holland-style belted magnums, such as the 7mm Remington and .300 Winchester, are the same diameter. The RUM is just way yonder too overbore for me. Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 7x57 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. Thanks in advance for input . Mag. If not a 280 Ackley....then either a 28 Nosler or an STW. Updated August 2018.The 7mm Practical is a cartridge of my own design. and a high B.C. It also has a small dent on the interior concentric of the crown...factor? The situation is mule deer and elk hunting in the northwest and shooting within 400 yards. Oct 10, 2007 1,136 772 CEO Team waffle house. I have not done a 33 nosler, but have done plenty of 338 edges and rums. Few who own rifles chambered for the new cartridge and take good care of them will wear out a barrel during a lifetime of hunting. At 1000 yds. 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